The Ukrainian Brides Scam Gets Pulled on My Friend

A classic tell is when they get angry at you when you try to FaceTime or get some kind of legit social media for authentication.

“You have the money to get on a plane, rent an apartment in Ukraine, and just live a normal life while meeting nice, normal Ukrainian women in your day-to-day life.”

Excellent point you make there!
Like you said, even though there might be some girls on these mail brides genuinely looking for marriage/LTR, the risks are quite high especially when a western man brings a foreign bride to his country. Many tragic cases in which the foreign bride, upon realizing her high SMV in the west(compared to obese western girls) she decides to “upgrade” for another man.
Personally my plans are to first learn about a foreign culture and language then to permanently move there. Taking time to form social circles and knowing the family and background of potential brides allows better vetting and screening out of the types of girls like the one you mentioned in the above story. If the girl has a strong and healthy relationship with her father I’ve heard this is a major green flag and a good sign. I think keeping the bride there in her country and encouraging her to maintain cultural and family ties should lessen the risk of divorce rape that is common in the west.

This is slightly off topic but I was somehow suddenly reminded of an article by roissy(heartiste) talking about what the career choice of a woman shows about her level of femininity. He goes on to state that an elementary school teacher is “pure gold” and has the qualities of “Cute, thin (it’s a workout chasing kids all day), ultra feminine, nurturing, selfless, caring” as well as supposedly “low maintenance due to the nature of her workplace environment sequestering her from the attentions of men”. Not sure if true but an interesting claim nonetheless. He says that the best ones teach grades 1 to 5. He claims that day care supervisors are “too toddler-focused and will love the baby more than you”. Here I think he does raise the issue when wives sometimes put their children way ahead of their husband and thus “forget” that they are a wife and neglect their husband. If left to continue this type of arrangement might lead to the couple being mere co-parents and roommates instead of lovers. I’m not saying for wives to neglect the children, I just think that a married woman should focus on being a good wife firstly then a good mother after that. It’s a matter of priorities. He goes on to say that “high school teachers are too stressed out form their job to properly service your manly needs at home” lol. Although this particular article heartiste wrote is quite light-hearted and tongue in cheek, he does make an interesting point so I thought I’d share it here. I think everyone has their own unique and different niche to search for potential partners, but the elementary school teacher does seem like a niche worth investigating. It’s also a plus if a man decides to home school his children.

Apologies for the off the tangent wall of text I wrote above lol.

Anyway I have three question for you, Kyle:
In your personal opinion what is the limit of the age gap between the man and a Ukrainian woman that will still reasonably ensure a high chance of a healthy and sustainable LTR/marriage?

Is an age gap of 15 years realistic(such as when the man is 35 years old while the Ukrainian girl is 20 years old)?
Will her family and relatives mind if the man is 35 yrs while the girl is 20?

I think 30 years age gap is a bit too much. My dad did that with my mom and it didn’t go well at all.

By the way I enjoyed reading your book “King’s Code”. I found it clear, succinct and straight to the point! 🙂

wow crazy story, nice word of warning to first time visitors, lots of good girls out there but you cant trust em all

so ive been “dating” a girl from ukraine for a few months now. i read all these articles about the risk of scams and i cant say i was completly doubt free but im quite confident about the honesty of her and the relationship. I did not meet her on one of these dating sites. but we started chatting one day and enjoyed the conversations. Her english is quite good and we started talking on skype, we both send msgs every day and talk once or twice a week for the past 10 weeks. We email pictures to each other all the time, like things we r doing, places we go etc, and we both have sent more intimate pics;) Shes a student just finishing university, doesnt really work yet, and has little support from family. She has asked me for financial help if its possible. now Im not an idiot, and would never throw money away i didnt have to spend. Ive given her some money, now and again, to help her. i can afford to. and shes appreciative of that, and she understands when i say i cant, and ive tested that a few times. Ive seen where she lives everyday in a rented flat while attending school, and its not a nice place. Life there, i understand, can be a bit more difficult compared to western society. Shes given me a lot of details about her life, family, everything….she even asked to travel to meet me so we can spend time together in person. I said id go to ukraine to meet but she would rather come here, id rather her come here too:)

Im not looking for validation on what im doing, im pretty careful, and have no problem pulling the plug if things got suspicious. I guess i want to show that there are good outcomes possible…not everything is a scam…just be smart and be sure b4 u blow all your money. i see this as an investment. building communication and a relationship with a quality woman…and lets be honest, id be spending money at bars or on dates at home trying to find a woman here…so whats the difference….

cheers

The guy wasn’t too smart to buy her such an expensive gift. That being said, I have been there many times and I’d never go without video chatting with the girl first to get a feel for how interested they are in you. These girls are all born liars and if you are looking there, it is unlikely you will get a good girl even if you are careful and smart. The girls that are very hot, know it, and use it every chance they get. If you are okay with an average looking girl, or one that is kind of fat, you have a chance. Don’t buy them anything except small gifts of affection. They will rob you blind if you give them the chance. I advise All men to start looking in the Philippines. The girls there are everything the lying agencies promise about the Ukraine and Russian girls. They are not as hot, but many are cute and very friendly and kind hearted. They, and everyone in the country are nice, and speak English. It is a very catholic country and it shows. They don’t care about the age difference and they are sincere to find a good man. Philippine girls write me all the time that are 30 years younger than me and neither they nor their family mind at all. Some of them are SCAMMERS too, but the percentages are about 70-30 with 70% or higher being serious. Ukraine and Russia are about 90-10 with 90% or more being scammers. I know that most guys fall into the trap of thinking that something that is beautiful is good, but it couldn’t be further from the truth in this case. Lying is a way of life over there and they are the most cold-blooded bitches I have ever met. They think it is your fault for being dumb enough to believe them and have no remorse for hurting and robbing men. Stay away from the Ukraine and Russia unless you are filthy rich, don’t care about money, and are under 40 years old. If you are that kind of guy, you probably don’t need to go there in the first place to find a good woman. The Philippine girls are far superior and after looking for about 10 years in lots of counties, I think it is the best chance men have for success.

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Went to Kiev in April 2017 for ten days and after months of being online I decided to use a marriage agency near the city center that promised me dates with 5 women for $500.00. and another $60.00 I wanted to meet in their portfolio. Three of them wanted me to fund their businesses that they were trying to start, the three others just wanted a free meal and showed up dressed to take out the trash, one told me she was a Doctor, with an appetite for very expensive wine, yes, I got sucked in, do you hear the sucking sound. I had some good food and conversation and bought her $400 worth of clothes, but when she wanted a $800. dress I finally woke up to the nightmare I was in and said no! The ladies I dated were 49 to 51, and since I am in my sixties, I thought maybe if I dated the older women I’d have a chance of finding someone that wasn’t trying to scam me! Wrong! I soon learned from the other American men in the local Irish pub that none of us were going home without being scammed to some degree, and some really got hit hard in the hip national bank worse than me. It didn’t matter how old, how good looking, or how rich we were, we all took a loss and were going home alone. It’s cheap to live there guys, go learn some Russian, live there for a few months and maybe you will find the love of your life, but I guarantee you she won’t look like any of the pictures your drooling over your computer. Every woman I dated did not look nearly as good as those pictures of them online, I think a couple of them had the right head, but some other woman’s body in the pictures. If you are really smart you will start looking around your own town, tell your friends to be on the lookout, and start going to church. Twenty years ago the Ukraine may have been a good place, but now the marriage business is just a business and the women are all in business for themselves being paid by the agencies to rip you off, if you want to just throw money out the window, you’ve been warned, don’t be stupid, think with the head on your shoulders! Or enjoy the lies and the heartache of being scammed.

i’m sorry but i can’t even feel bad for this man. he is an adult, he really should know better. #1 rule – if it sounds too good to be true, it’s a lie. if someone pick pockets you on the street bc you are drunk. fine. if you get dragged to some nightclub in turkey and end up paying $300 bc some girl asked for a few drinks. fine. you get drugged and your hotel belongings disappear with the girl you brought back. okay…. you got scammed. but a mail order bride scam. hahahaha, that’s like a token joke. did he send money to nigeria bc someone offered him 4x times the asking price of the iphone he posted online for sale? the only thing i feel bad about is that all he did was reinforce these con-artists’ craft in further fuel their efforts.