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The Ukrainian Brides Scam Gets Pulled on My Friend

Most of the world by now is familiar with Ukrainian brides. You’ve heard the stories—Western men, desperate for love and companionship, journey to faraway places like Ukraine or Russia in the hopes of meeting Eastern European women. They hope to find lifelong love.

Unfortunately, those fairytales stories rarely come true. Today I feel the need to share a Ukrainian bride horror story/scam that was recently pulled on an acquaintance of mine.

To give some backstory, I met this guy in July 2016 in Odessa, Ukraine. While my memory is slightly foggy, he was around 55 years old and lived on the east coast of the United States. He was in town because he’d met a girl on a foreign bride site, and was considering getting her a visa to come live with him. He’d plan to spend about ten days in Odessa, albeit that girl lived about an hour outside of the city.

I believe he also had plans to meet one other girl, so he wasn’t putting all his eggs in one basket. Reasonable if you’re going to fly around the world to meet someone on the internet. I have no idea how it turned out with any other girls he was due to meet. However, these are his two nightmares stories.

Odessa, July 2016

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He arrives in Odessa, and I think the day after he went out to this far city to meet the girl. Why she didn’t meet him at the airport is beyond me (more on that later). Apparently this first meet went reasonably well—well enough that he decided it was a worthwhile invest to buy her a brand-new $2,000 iMac.

I’m sure you can see where this is about to go.

For the remainder of his nine days in Odessa, he saw this girl once. And again, he had to take a taxi way out to her town or village outside of Odessa. She made no efforts to see him again, repeatedly blowing him off because she was “busy” with a number of excuses. Work, family, tired—you name it, she used it.

He was obviously quite upset with these developments. Apparently, her friend who he met on one of his trips messaged him at the end, saying that, “If it doesn’t work out with [name], you and I could be together.”

The girl he had flown all the way around the world for couldn’t be bothered to take him to the airport, either. She basically blew him off, but low and below, as soon as he returned to the States, she was messaging him.

“It was moving so fast and I miss you, can we try again?”

“I am ready to be with you now, but I need money to do [XYZ] before I can come to America.”

Typical sob stories told by Ukrainian brides as a way to scam men out of their money. Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure there are Ukrainian brides who genuinely want to find a nice guy and get married. Scams like this though are a dime a dozen.

Odessa Brides is an excellent book on the subject.

It sucked for the American guy, but making those kind of huge financial purchases right off the bat are a surefire way to get yourself screwed. Despite the obviousness of the situation to an outsider, it happens. Love clouds judgment.

But…

Fool Me Once, Shame On You…

…fool me twice, shame on me.

Yeah, the same guy was the “victim” of yet another Ukrainian brides scam less than six months after the first one. This time it was even worse, but it reads almost the same.

Again, he met a girl on a dating website or agency, the majority of which are scams in Ukraine.

Any website that charges you an exuberant fee by the minute to message a girl, to translate, or any other add-ons are a surefire scam. Stay away from them. Look for sites like Ukraine Date that have a one-time fee that allow you unlimited messages and no hidden add-ons that gouge you left and right.

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He meets this girl, and again he “falls in love”. Over the internet. “She” is gorgeous (the young one), you can see for yourself:

Before he knows it (within two months), they’re making arrangements for her to come to the United States and live with him. He starts sending her money so she can obtain her visa, as well as giving her some other money for miscellaneous expenses.

He does all of this without bothering to Skype or FaceTime with her to verify she is the girl in the photos.

Attempt #1

The day finally arrives.

She’s heading to the United States, but has to travel for a layover in Istanbul first. While she’s in Istanbul, she gets a phone call. Her mother is dead. She has to fly back ASAP, and could he please send some money to help with the funeral arrangements?

A month later, things are better. The funeral is taken care of, but now she has nobody else left for her. She wants to leave the country and come live with him in the US. However, more money is obviously needed to fix any visa issues. He sends it.

She’s finally on the plane, and bound for American soil. This time, there’s no dead moms to get in the way of happiness and everlasting love. You’d think, right?

Attempt #2

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The look on a foreign bride’s face after she gets a $2,000 iMac…

Everything was going great, until she landed. She calls him and tells him that she’s held up at customs, she can’t get through. She’s not sure they will allow her into the US. He tries to solve the problem, and ends up just upsetting her. Then she calls to tell him that she’s through customs, but angry at him. She goes to a hotel. I don’t know whether she asked him to transfer money for the hotel, but it wouldn’t surprise me.

This fella, obviously petrified of losing his foreign bride before he even meets her in person, starts calling her. Non-stop. He figures out what hotel she checked in to, and drives there. He calls her once and leaves a message that he is there, waiting for her. Ten minutes later he calls again.

The phone number had been disconnected completely.

He waits around for four hours, trying repeatedly. He never gets an answer. He has not heard from her since, and I’m sure he never will. More than likely, the girl in the photo has no idea who he is. The girl he’s been talking with is clearly just sitting on her computer in Ukraine, bleeding him dry to the tune of nearly $5,000.

What does he have to show for it? Absolutely nothing. 

Are Ukrainian Brides Scamming Men All The Time?

There are good Ukrainian girls out there in the world, but you’re certainly not going to find them on a foreign bride site in most cases. The odds are hedged against you. If you have the money to afford these kind of agencies, to pay the bills from afar, and to buy gifts—then guess what?

You have the money to get on a plane, rent an apartment in Ukraine, and just live a normal life while meeting nice, normal Ukrainian women in your day-to-day life. 

Sure, jobs might impact this, but if you’re at a point in life where you’ve got the money to blow, surely you can afford to take a week or two off work. You’re likely to have a better experience rather than endlessly hunting and getting scammed by Ukrainian brides.

To wrap this up, I obviously feel sorry for the guy. But you can’t fix stupid. I can only hope that not all men make the same (repeated) mistakes when it comes to Ukrainian brides.

Stay smart,

UL

PS: Go meet some normal girls on Ukraine Date before you do anything with a dating or marriage agency. A $30 investment is a heck of a lot less than $5,000. Click here to sign up.

  • January 3, 2017
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Brock Robinson (@TheCityBachelor)

A classic tell is when they get angry at you when you try to FaceTime or get some kind of legit social media for authentication.

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    Ukraine Living

    Exactly. They will travel the world to meet but won’t FaceTime for 5 minutes?

    Some dudes are unreal.

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    Anjie

    Ha Ha Ha, that’s good for them. The smartest race (white) on earth got fooled by those skank bitches. I don’t blame them, get all of their money!

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eddie_7

“You have the money to get on a plane, rent an apartment in Ukraine, and just live a normal life while meeting nice, normal Ukrainian women in your day-to-day life.”

Excellent point you make there!
Like you said, even though there might be some girls on these mail brides genuinely looking for marriage/LTR, the risks are quite high especially when a western man brings a foreign bride to his country. Many tragic cases in which the foreign bride, upon realizing her high SMV in the west(compared to obese western girls) she decides to “upgrade” for another man.
Personally my plans are to first learn about a foreign culture and language then to permanently move there. Taking time to form social circles and knowing the family and background of potential brides allows better vetting and screening out of the types of girls like the one you mentioned in the above story. If the girl has a strong and healthy relationship with her father I’ve heard this is a major green flag and a good sign. I think keeping the bride there in her country and encouraging her to maintain cultural and family ties should lessen the risk of divorce rape that is common in the west.

This is slightly off topic but I was somehow suddenly reminded of an article by roissy(heartiste) talking about what the career choice of a woman shows about her level of femininity. He goes on to state that an elementary school teacher is “pure gold” and has the qualities of “Cute, thin (it’s a workout chasing kids all day), ultra feminine, nurturing, selfless, caring” as well as supposedly “low maintenance due to the nature of her workplace environment sequestering her from the attentions of men”. Not sure if true but an interesting claim nonetheless. He says that the best ones teach grades 1 to 5. He claims that day care supervisors are “too toddler-focused and will love the baby more than you”. Here I think he does raise the issue when wives sometimes put their children way ahead of their husband and thus “forget” that they are a wife and neglect their husband. If left to continue this type of arrangement might lead to the couple being mere co-parents and roommates instead of lovers. I’m not saying for wives to neglect the children, I just think that a married woman should focus on being a good wife firstly then a good mother after that. It’s a matter of priorities. He goes on to say that “high school teachers are too stressed out form their job to properly service your manly needs at home” lol. Although this particular article heartiste wrote is quite light-hearted and tongue in cheek, he does make an interesting point so I thought I’d share it here. I think everyone has their own unique and different niche to search for potential partners, but the elementary school teacher does seem like a niche worth investigating. It’s also a plus if a man decides to home school his children.

Apologies for the off the tangent wall of text I wrote above lol.

Anyway I have three question for you, Kyle:
In your personal opinion what is the limit of the age gap between the man and a Ukrainian woman that will still reasonably ensure a high chance of a healthy and sustainable LTR/marriage?

Is an age gap of 15 years realistic(such as when the man is 35 years old while the Ukrainian girl is 20 years old)?
Will her family and relatives mind if the man is 35 yrs while the girl is 20?

I think 30 years age gap is a bit too much. My dad did that with my mom and it didn’t go well at all.

By the way I enjoyed reading your book “King’s Code”. I found it clear, succinct and straight to the point! 🙂

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    Ukraine Living

    “Is an age gap of 15 years realistic(such as when the man is 35 years old while the Ukrainian girl is 20 years old)?
    Will her family and relatives mind if the man is 35 yrs while the girl is 20?”

    Neither her nor her family would blink an eye provided you have your shit together.

    Glad you enjoyed the book!

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      COLIN RICHES

      I HAVE MET ON THE INTERNET A 31 YEAR OLD WITH A SON 7,SHE IS IN KIEV AT PRESENT TO OBTAIN A VISA FOR THE TRAVEL TO UK, SHE HAS NOT ASKED FOR MONEY,AND ASKED FOR A BRIDE VISAS.SHE CAME TO ME ON A TRANSLATION AGENCY VIA G MAIL,AND HAS TO PAY 150 DOLLARS TO USE IT AS SHE HAS NO COMPUTER, SHE LIVES IN THE WAR PART OF UKRAINE, AND WAS DIVORCED 2 YEARS AGO, CAN YOU COMMENT ATALL PLEASE. VERY NEW TO THIS. MANY THANKS IF YOU CAN.

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        Ukraine Living

        Dude, come on.

        You’re about to get taken to the cleaners and you know it. I would stay far, far away if I were you.

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        David Brunner

        Colin if you get scammed you can’t blame anyone but yourself. You know that woman is fake.

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        Brian Mark

        Don’t waste your money. If you have to pay to chat with her then it is a scam. Put in the effort and find a real girl.

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        Anjie

        She’s playing it cool till she finally get to the states and get settled with the sap, that’s when she will take him for everything!

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guy

wow crazy story, nice word of warning to first time visitors, lots of good girls out there but you cant trust em all

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AC81

so ive been “dating” a girl from ukraine for a few months now. i read all these articles about the risk of scams and i cant say i was completly doubt free but im quite confident about the honesty of her and the relationship. I did not meet her on one of these dating sites. but we started chatting one day and enjoyed the conversations. Her english is quite good and we started talking on skype, we both send msgs every day and talk once or twice a week for the past 10 weeks. We email pictures to each other all the time, like things we r doing, places we go etc, and we both have sent more intimate pics;) Shes a student just finishing university, doesnt really work yet, and has little support from family. She has asked me for financial help if its possible. now Im not an idiot, and would never throw money away i didnt have to spend. Ive given her some money, now and again, to help her. i can afford to. and shes appreciative of that, and she understands when i say i cant, and ive tested that a few times. Ive seen where she lives everyday in a rented flat while attending school, and its not a nice place. Life there, i understand, can be a bit more difficult compared to western society. Shes given me a lot of details about her life, family, everything….she even asked to travel to meet me so we can spend time together in person. I said id go to ukraine to meet but she would rather come here, id rather her come here too:)

Im not looking for validation on what im doing, im pretty careful, and have no problem pulling the plug if things got suspicious. I guess i want to show that there are good outcomes possible…not everything is a scam…just be smart and be sure b4 u blow all your money. i see this as an investment. building communication and a relationship with a quality woman…and lets be honest, id be spending money at bars or on dates at home trying to find a woman here…so whats the difference….

cheers

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    Ukraine Living

    So you send money to a girl you have never met?

    You’re rationalizing it to yourself. You’re getting scammed. Not in a direct way, but you’re still being taken for a ride.

    Sorry to be the one to burst your bubble, but you’re living in a fantasy world until you meet. I’d suggest you put the brakes on, now.

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    Brian Mark

    I’ve lived in Ukaine and have dated many Ukrainian women. You are wasting your money until you go over there. You are not investing in your future. If she’s talking to you and you give her money, I’m sure she has many other “boyfiends” that send her money too. She can make more scamming than she can working in real job the Ukraine. Save your money, go over there and see her. I she won’t see you are are nothing. If she won’t have sex with you she doesn’t like you. Ukrainian girls are not prudish. If she tells you she is she is lying. If you can’t go over there then you shouldn’t be chatting.

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    kaleem

    sir as ukraine living said you been scammed most of scamme girls will come out of site and chat with you on e-mail or whatsapp because they will sooner or later will demand money if she ask you for the money while talking via dating Agency and you report this to Agency she will be kicked out and all credit you spent on her will given back to you- This happened to me i never sent a single penny to this girl although she ask me money while talking on e-mail i reported to my Agency they ask me the proof and i sent them a copy of e-mail she was kicked out from the site i got all the credit back which I spent to her.

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      D

      Kaleem, what agency are you talking about? how can I get a refund? )

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Joe

The guy wasn’t too smart to buy her such an expensive gift. That being said, I have been there many times and I’d never go without video chatting with the girl first to get a feel for how interested they are in you. These girls are all born liars and if you are looking there, it is unlikely you will get a good girl even if you are careful and smart. The girls that are very hot, know it, and use it every chance they get. If you are okay with an average looking girl, or one that is kind of fat, you have a chance. Don’t buy them anything except small gifts of affection. They will rob you blind if you give them the chance. I advise All men to start looking in the Philippines. The girls there are everything the lying agencies promise about the Ukraine and Russian girls. They are not as hot, but many are cute and very friendly and kind hearted. They, and everyone in the country are nice, and speak English. It is a very catholic country and it shows. They don’t care about the age difference and they are sincere to find a good man. Philippine girls write me all the time that are 30 years younger than me and neither they nor their family mind at all. Some of them are SCAMMERS too, but the percentages are about 70-30 with 70% or higher being serious. Ukraine and Russia are about 90-10 with 90% or more being scammers. I know that most guys fall into the trap of thinking that something that is beautiful is good, but it couldn’t be further from the truth in this case. Lying is a way of life over there and they are the most cold-blooded bitches I have ever met. They think it is your fault for being dumb enough to believe them and have no remorse for hurting and robbing men. Stay away from the Ukraine and Russia unless you are filthy rich, don’t care about money, and are under 40 years old. If you are that kind of guy, you probably don’t need to go there in the first place to find a good woman. The Philippine girls are far superior and after looking for about 10 years in lots of counties, I think it is the best chance men have for success.

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    Ukraine Living

    Why don’t you just learn a little game and avoid the forum bride scenarios?

    As in go without anything lined up.

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    Anjie

    …men love Philippine girls so much because they will tolerate abuse. My neighbor married a Philippine woman that he treated like shit, God is good, before he died he had no limbs, in a wheelchair and she was the only one caring for him. IF it had been me, i would have pushed his ass out in traffic!

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Dennis

Went to Kiev in April 2017 for ten days and after months of being online I decided to use a marriage agency near the city center that promised me dates with 5 women for $500.00. and another $60.00 I wanted to meet in their portfolio. Three of them wanted me to fund their businesses that they were trying to start, the three others just wanted a free meal and showed up dressed to take out the trash, one told me she was a Doctor, with an appetite for very expensive wine, yes, I got sucked in, do you hear the sucking sound. I had some good food and conversation and bought her $400 worth of clothes, but when she wanted a $800. dress I finally woke up to the nightmare I was in and said no! The ladies I dated were 49 to 51, and since I am in my sixties, I thought maybe if I dated the older women I’d have a chance of finding someone that wasn’t trying to scam me! Wrong! I soon learned from the other American men in the local Irish pub that none of us were going home without being scammed to some degree, and some really got hit hard in the hip national bank worse than me. It didn’t matter how old, how good looking, or how rich we were, we all took a loss and were going home alone. It’s cheap to live there guys, go learn some Russian, live there for a few months and maybe you will find the love of your life, but I guarantee you she won’t look like any of the pictures your drooling over your computer. Every woman I dated did not look nearly as good as those pictures of them online, I think a couple of them had the right head, but some other woman’s body in the pictures. If you are really smart you will start looking around your own town, tell your friends to be on the lookout, and start going to church. Twenty years ago the Ukraine may have been a good place, but now the marriage business is just a business and the women are all in business for themselves being paid by the agencies to rip you off, if you want to just throw money out the window, you’ve been warned, don’t be stupid, think with the head on your shoulders! Or enjoy the lies and the heartache of being scammed.

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jake

i’m sorry but i can’t even feel bad for this man. he is an adult, he really should know better. #1 rule – if it sounds too good to be true, it’s a lie. if someone pick pockets you on the street bc you are drunk. fine. if you get dragged to some nightclub in turkey and end up paying $300 bc some girl asked for a few drinks. fine. you get drugged and your hotel belongings disappear with the girl you brought back. okay…. you got scammed. but a mail order bride scam. hahahaha, that’s like a token joke. did he send money to nigeria bc someone offered him 4x times the asking price of the iphone he posted online for sale? the only thing i feel bad about is that all he did was reinforce these con-artists’ craft in further fuel their efforts.

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Keith

I have reading these comments with great interest. I have been trying for 45 to fix a bad marriage with 2 divorces with a legal separation sandwiched it for good measure. I was contacted out-of-the-blue by a stunning 35-year-old that seemed to know something about me. I wrote her back giving some generic but true details of my life. This happened three times. But I finally wised up when I realized they all failed to address with any detail the things I revealed to them. This last one I really called out calling her a liar because she was using a different name with the same photos and stories, but with a different name. Though I wasn’t vulgar, I was blunt, and was a amused by her reply of how wonderful it was to hear back from me, and that our future would be full of joy and contentment! I have spent no money and never will. Nor will I trust any female from the dark side of the planet! K.

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Bob

Dudes, this is hilarious, when will we we all realise that no matter which country, or part of the world you are in All Women are prostitutes, yes even the married ones you feed them you clothes them you work your little balls off for them. stop wasting your money. Eat out, use a laundry service, hire a cleaner and fuck who you want when you want in whatever outfit you want. the total cost of ownership is far cheaper less stressful, and on a football night there is no grief over the mess you made with beer and peanuts. We need to go back to basics woman have place in life and its not in our homes watch what you want eat what you want and wear what you what , enjoy life and die with a f**k off smile on your face.

ps I only need sex once a week now normally on Thursdays so I’m good to go drinking on the weekend.

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    Joe

    Nah, just start looking in the Philippines. The girls are much nicer and respect men. Ukraine women are the meanest, coldest, women in the world and have no respect for men. Hot yes, but unlikely to have a good relationship with unless you are filthy rich and don’t mind being treated like a child.

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    Ukraine Living

    You sound a bit bitter.

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Tony

Oh, its really crazy situation with this girls faced with some them. In internet find one guy he findes this scammers

Look may be it`ll be useful for you to know them and be careful

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Brian Mark

Joe states:
“Lying is a way of life over there and they are the most cold-blooded bitches I have ever met. They think it is your fault for being dumb enough to believe them and have no remorse for hurting and robbing men.”

I have to agree with this 100%. Can you find a good woman? Not through a marriage agency. Most of these women are professional daters and scammers. I met all my good girls outside of the agencies: in the mall, on the street, in the metro.

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Mike

I met a woman on a dating site, free. We talk via skype everyday. Her volume is broken so we write, but she gave me her number since I was skeptical. I made plans to see her, she said she wanted to stay at an apt rather than a hotel in her hometown. Is this normal? The apt is cheaper than a hotel, but how do they know about apts? I met a woman before who suggested the same thing and when I asked she said Ukrainian girls do not like going to hotels, they cannot cook or take care of you there. I imagine I am going to be called a victim because pof all the posts I have read, but please be constructive.

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    Ukraine Living

    If you met her on a free site (which one?), I wouldn’t be too concerned.

    Hotels can be bad – they aren’t discreet and are very public. If this is a small town she has a reputation to uphold.

    I would say overall it’s pretty normal, but certainly not abnormal.

    Keep us posted.

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Jay

hey mike.as i was reading your post i got the impression that you have sorta struck it lucky (in a way) because your in the “no transaction” stage of getting to know her..or them☺ and i know the free russian dating site your talking about…. (you have to type in “100% free russian dating site” to find it..type excactly what ive put or you wont find it guys)i was on it ages ago and its really revealing just how many girls actually contact You! as,compared to the endless 2,000 plus messages i got in 1 week and 2,570 emails you’ll get on the scamming sites like Anastasia date/Victoria hearts!! (Victoria Hearts is the worst one….you pay to even leave a comment on One of thier photo’s… it’s INSANE!!!) anyhoo on the free site since i know some russian i can get rid of the sob stories (money pits).?the genuine ones wich will like you or not, thats it (just like home☺),you still have to make a good deal of effort to get thier attention sometimes,its the same if you want the chance at a really nice looking one but in alot of cases it’s just like chatting to girls Where You Live☺ Ukraine women are used to bieng approached on the street by men….i dont think ALL Ukrainian/Russian/Slavick woman are born liars i think thats bieng a tad bitter after a scam but thier Corrupt Givernment and economy plus thier Idiotic Proud Arrogant president have made it somewhat normal to scam Americans/Astralians/UK men,Im not saying we should feel sorry for scammers!! believe me i only got scammed a bit on a site once but it hasn’t dettered me from going over to Russia/Ukraine for a holiday and maybey….to meet a girl there because ive studied there culture/language for a while i have a female Tall and Gorgeous Russian tutour (im too short shes 6’3″ lol☺)and if you can find an honest girl that likes you for YOU and Family/Security (wich is normal for every female in the world) meeting a Pretty and Nice Ukraine girl would be awesome!! but i cant stress this enough “LEARN SOME RUSSIAN!!”if you don’t?, many girls ,ones that you like on the free dating site and in Russia/Ukraine won’t be very impressed because you didnt take the time to learn some basic communication and you will miss out!….keep trying like me if you want but you can’t be desperate for it or you will attract the gorgeous but WRONG girl and you’ll get fleeced because those girls think you don’t deserve to have money because life is so easy for the Westerner.anyway my initial intrest in just the girls has now turned into a genuine intrest/hobby about learning another language and culture ….and im sure…a girl☺

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Mark

Hi guys these are some scams to watch out for

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Andy

I haven’t been to Ukraine. But I have met Ukraine and Russian girls. I am a very simple guy and wanted to experience the nightlife at least once ended up for few nights. My regular schedule is work and enjoy with family.

I tried to understand their perspective. Really speaking my interest was why so beautiful girls end up in such places. when there are so many good earning men out there in other countries.

The girls I met were really sweet. Yes they were desperate for money. And yes it is true time is money. It implies to us also. We earn the same way. We charge for every minute we work. We don’t give any free service even to speak a professional word. Every where we go we either do job or networking. And all they have is their beauty to earn their living. That is where we are ready to give money.

And in a age of iPhones,smart phones, laptops (expensive and attractive gadgets). I even read in the news few years back that a boy in China sold one of his kidney secretly without his parents knowledge to buy a iphone.

The conclusion I found out. Yes they are pretty. They are desperate for money. They love their country where they stay. They feel secured where they stay because they know at least they are safe there. And biggest reason they can’t speak English confidently. They fear to interact and avoid. They like their family, place and boys. They feel safe in their society. Simple as that.

She asked me a single question “if I cannot speak English would you prefer to sit with me”. She meant you would get bored and leave me and look for someone whom you could talk to. Yes they were smart also and educated. Surely we can differentiate an educated and non educated. They could talk about their profession. But again money. The money is too little to buy the dream iphone or smart gadgets and not enough jobs. They are young and dream to live a rich life. Rosh life means wearing good branded dresses and smart gadgets.

The detonation of rich has changed recently due to extensive marketing. Rich means branded clothes, food, smart gadgets. There was time when education, gold and property was considered rich. But now it is not like that.
And every where there are rich and poor people. Say fortunate and unfortunate people.
The only differentiation I found is skin color and language, country.

These pretty girls they need smart gadgets, branded cloths, branded food. To say I lived life rich. Their weakness language, no jobs, weak economy, conflicting neighboring countries/ ideologies. The day all of them start speaking English fluently. I predict they would be on the demanding end. But I also observed successful nations who don’t even speak a word of English are rich. I mean they they have education, property, gold, smart gadgets, branded food, branded clothing.

So I understood that language is not a criteria for successful richness of the country citizen. After a route cause analysis. It’s only due to conflicting ideology and neighboring countries cause this effect. There is a saying when two elephants fight it is the grass that suffers and not the elephant. They are the grass result of the elephants fight.

If they would be plenty of jobs, plenty of food, plenty of money, in total to say richness everywhere. Neither of us would talk to each other. Or look for each other. Forget the idea that they would not even entertain us in any way. They would be in their own world, their handsome guys, their land, their money, their language.
It is all a marketing strategy what can you get at what value.

But actually we are hunting for them. We are giving only that market to explore. So that’s the result. At the end of the day everyone wants someone whom he can sit with and talk and express their feelings clearly. And it is possible only in your mother tongue. So the first preference or priority is sister/brother then mother/father then friend then boyfriend/husband then least is anybody else.

I have never been to nightlife. And I wanted to experience it. If you are in a group you look bold. If you are alone you look inferior or say hesitant, shy. Because you are in an unknown territory. You don’t know the ways to behave there. But actually everyone there was just like me. An individual trying to show off or showing off. It was a platform to show off. A platform to show we are living a rich happy enjoyable life. At least for that moment.

I just went there to spend money. And know the people around. Only with a question why and what.

Sit with them without any expectations. And only to make friends. They also do not expect anything. The minute you start expecting. Their expectations are expensive. Obviously they are pretty.

The better the doctor the higher the consultation fees.
Hahaha.

Ok now. For you guys to judge me. I am Indian. I am dark complexion surely the western would be racist, even North Indians are racist about South Indians. Or say fair complexion Indians are racist about dark complexion Indians. As if that is an achievement. And specially we Indians are more racist in many ways than you can even think off. For me the destination of racist means “differentiating” by some stupid classifications.
Ok all this I wrote above is to say that I am dark complexion.
It doesn’t mean that I have not meant nice, good fair complexion people. I am referring to only those who think about it.
Next I have very good education. Very good job. Very good pay. Very good family. That’s about me.

My expectations were very clear. I pay money for every minute of entertainment. How much you pay equivalent is your entertainment.
Simple formula
Expectations = money = entertainment.
If any of this vary go up or down. Relatively the other two factors vary accordingly.
And I got treated very well by those pretty girls. I say really very well.

Be respectable to them. Have a listening ear. Bring down your English to a acceptable level. The magic will do. First thing communication and mutual. These 2 words are very important. And the other 3 words in the formula.

These 5 key words and respectable. Total 6 words should always be on top of mind.

Everybody has their own self respect. Anything you do would be a tit for tat in response. Digging our own grave.

Spend money and enjoy guys. Or as our friend said you are looking for love then really love them be simple and look for girls. Don’t go shopping for girls. You can get cheated.

It’s human tendency anything we receive offensive we tend to give back double of it.
So don’t offend don’t get offended.

If you want love. Then you have to do many things in love. Read the book Romeo and Juliet. Really you have to do that. I am not joking. You need to show how much you really love. You need to express your guarantee for commitment. You need to measure how high is your expectations and how high is her expectations.

A person cannot be such a good liar. If he is lying you can find out. Unless we really are dumb to understand. Somewhere something is going wrong.

If you give an expensive gift and unknowingly might have said something offensive. Ok I take the gift and kick you. Simple.
Like in computer language. You feed in garbage you get out garbage.

This is my observation and study. My intention is not to offend anybody. But expressing only my point of view.

Like in project management if you want to reduce time you have to increase resources. So if you want to reduce the time in searching love you have to increase the resources. ))) Happy searching…

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    Ukraine Living

    Huhhhhh???

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      Andy

      I forgot to add the very important word “generous”. Anyway… I Did Not understand Huhhh??? :)))

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        Robert

        Nice blog, and comments here.

        But Andy you were really rambling on and lost me in your maze of jargon !! 🙂

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Don

I’ve been chatting with a woman from Eastern Ukraine for 6 months and we seem to be getting along well and we have decided to meet in Kiev, however she is unable to get to Kiev without my financial assistance. Is this common, how hard is it to travel in the war zone, are there trains that run from the war zone to Kiev? How much does it cost to travel to Kiev from Roskoshnoe?

Thanks

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    Ukraine Living

    Run far away.

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      Don

      Thanks! A little cold, but it’s kinda what I thought. Can you elaborate a little more? Is it easy to travel to Kiev from the war zone? Do trains run from the war zone. How much would this trip cost?

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Michel

I also have been scammed by a woman in Odessa.
after 3 months of discussion I went to her and she took me only to “her” place and she never wants to be on a photo with me. the second day, I had already some doubt about her and the hotel manager confirms me the same. He also confirms me that she was working for an agency to scam foreigner.
I must stay two weeks long and Odessa is a nice city if you are very carefully with the woman. After a few days I met another woman, and she tried to do the same.
She took me to “her” place ‘restaurant, bars, … You have to be aware that you will receive a menu with higher price and the girl will get some commission.
this system is working for everything restaurant, bars, clothes shop, beauty shop
Be extremely carefully if the girl advise you to book in a specific hotel. You will pay more and she will get some commission.
Now I have to tell you that I also met a woman, we lost the contact by a stupid accident, but she never ask anything. I try to contact her often, but I did not succeed.

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Diego

Hi, I met a girl online from Mykolaiv, Ukraine. We have been talking for 3 months.. she wants to come to the US. I have offered to help her when she tells me about her problems but she refuses to accept money. I have her social media and have seen her with her friends and we have also video called a lot of times. Her situation is really difficult, she works and goes to school.
She did tell me she wants to open a new business soon and travel to turkey before coming to USA. All these articles about Ukranian women make me feel uneasy.
Do you guys think I will be scammed? she is amazing so far..

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    Ukraine Living

    Yes. Don’t send her money to start a business. Jesus.

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sezar

A wealthy man looking for a girl for a good life

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Eddie

this is absolutely pathetic web sites they are thieves and they are in a way terrorist mafia run groups, scamming genuine people; even Ukraine date website which runs by Australian based company is riddled with scammers all over them….no confirmation of their IDs, no verification only if pay high money, no verification for the ladies…there are 27,000 Ukrainian ladies scammers all over these websites……they always blame Nigerian or African importers but in general Ukrainian are no difference from those either….

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John

Met my wife 14 years ago this April from Bila Tserkva. Married now 12 years, best relationship I ever had. Used a small agency, defunct now I guess hope so. The agency was the scam, not the girl. Got milked by them but not too bad… I got the girl in the end. The agencies use the girls to milk the guys before and up till you finally meet. Example: I paid agency $80 to present her a large flowering bouquet for Intl. Womans Day. I got photo of her holding a beautiful arrangement. After our first meeting I found out what happened. They had her meet a person from the agency at a flower vendor near her home. They handed her a display arrangement, snaped a picture, put back the flowers and left. Told her it was for her portfolio and charged her 100 grn. too. Dumped the agency help by third day of visit, made our own way from that point on. Worked out and in the end we laugh about all the scams because we are happy together… Have helped my friends meet her friends and two other marriages happened, both are still going… Good Luck, it’s an adventure either way.

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Andy

***IMPORTANT***

Guys i have been reading all the posts and stories above, and its a shame when i read about guys getting scammed, we have all been there at some point until we learn the hard way.

But nobody has been mentioning about a site i got scammed on, its called https://diana-dating.com.
The girls are beautiful; “obviously”, but they bleed you dry for money on that site, you have to send what was 35 letters or chat for 350 minutes before the support will give you the particular girl your chatting with, her contact number and email address.
But once you have reached the qualifying period, then they ask you for another 130 credits to “release” the girls information, such a scam.
But now without warning the letters have increased to 50, but the rest is still the same.
But once you get the girls number, up until this point they will send you 3000 word letters every day, they find the time to do this, lovely long letters, and a photo too.
But one you leave, they will send you about 3-5 words on Whatsapp or Viber per day, and thats a struggle for them, and then after about a week they will just stop texting you, and you will get no reply and then they will end up back on the site again.
Or they keep talking to you but they wont come off the site as they say “i have friends here i want to keep in contact with”. Haha that made me laugh when i heard that.

So guys, avoid https://diana-dating.com like the plague, its a parasite, there is nothing on the site about the prices, like other sites, the owner is in California and dont give a sh*t about it.
I reported to him about his support team he is paying to look after the site 24/7, and he does not give a toss about them.

The support team will only reply to your messages if they feel like it, and they can be VERY rude and abrupt too.

I know a friend who has to date had about 12 girls numbers from that site, yes he has left the site with 12 girls so far, and spent around £3000 in 13 months.
And still the girls are playing up once they leave the site. I think they are paid to chat to the men to get more men to join and waste their money, but once you get their number they are not interested, its all fake about them wanting marriage and love etc, and how much they miss it and will do anything etc etc blah blah blah. Its all crap chat! Magnet chat.

So another site for you to avoid like the plague and its pathetic and rude team of childish support is https://diana-dating.com.
I dont understand why the owner live in California and he owns a Ukrainian site.
Im a marketer i found out a lot about him and his address too. He is just as ignorant as the last one.

But someone above mentioned about Ukraine Date? Yes i agree and give that a thumbs up too, you only pay one fee and you can chat to any girl you want and ask for their phone number if you choose for no extra cost.

BUT……..

BEWARE as there are a lot of scammers on there, but there are some very honest and genuine girls too, as i have been chatting to two girls from there for almost 2 years now (off site) and they are very nice girls, we are only friends though as they are not my type. But i have seen them on video chat, and they are coming over this year in July to stay with me. They both know about each other and have become friends through me.
So a good site, but usually you will see the scammers, as they cannot be bothered to fill out their profile, its a short and sweet profile, as they get kicked off enough, so they create another profile, and there is no point to fill it all in all the time. Whereas the genuine girls fill everything in and put up a few photos too. Scammers have one pic normally.

So guys thats a good site in my book, but please do NOT USE https://diana-dating.com you will lose your money and GET NOTHING else out of it, the girl will block you on Whatsapp after a week too. Waste of time. And its NOT CHEAP, its one of the EXPENSIVE SITES!!

If anybody else knows of any other good Ukraine Dating sites please also share with us here to save more of us good men getting scammed.

Thank you for listening and good luck to you all who are searching.

At the end of the say, if you just go over there in the summer time and stay in Odessa as thats where all the nice girls will be in the summer, you will have a better chance of finding a nice and decent girl for you.

All the best

Andy

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Roger

I have also met a Ukrainian girl who has a business in Kiev and in Crimea. Her family is in Crimea. I’ve been trying to get away from the dating agency because it cost too much. I’ve tried to get her to use Viber, Skype, or another dating agency that is cheaper. She says that because of the sanctions against Crimea, she has no access to them. She hasn’t given me her phone number because she doesn’t trust sending things over the internet. She seams to have two pretty good businesses that provide her income. She has never hinted for money. Could this be a scam?

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